NS Cliches: Rebooted

by **Surrealist Patagonia** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:03 pm

Thomas E. Dewey (R) (1952) ---> Adlai Stevenson (D) (1956) ---> JFK (D) (1960) ---> LBJ (D) (1963) ---> Barry Goldwater (R) (1964) ---> George Wallace (D to R) (1968)

The US presidents of SP-verse. Dewey and Stevenson were nothing too extraordinary presidents as the 50s were the Golden Age of America. JFK was when things seemed hopeful until he was assassinated. Barry's veto of the 1964 CRA set the stage for the American Autumn crisis and Wallace made it worse by going COINTELPRO on Civil Rights movements.

by **Wexas** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:14 am

Las Palmeras wrote:Back on topic:
Speaking of the United States, it's quite hard to find a middle ground between dystopic alternate dictatorship versions of the USA or utopic progressive love-fest versions...not that I can blame people, the very mundane option would be boring.

Eh, not really. I can think of a few scenarios that would make an America neither fully dystopian or utopian interesting. For example:

1. A post apocalyptic US/US-successor state that has been relegated to a few cities because reasons. (I.E "Enclave but it controls Delaware and they aren't douchebags.")
2. An America that is experiencing rapid social change but doesn't really know what to do. For example, a new great awaking.
3. Past-Tech America (Before 1920s).
4. A meme version of the Utopian America nations where everything seems perfect on the outside, but it's actually hiding a problem much greater than even our own.

~~Of course, not only is this subjective, but some have probably already been tried and didn't turn out good.~~

by **Las Palmeras** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:59 am

Wexas wrote:
Las Palmeras wrote:Back on topic:
Speaking of the United States, it's quite hard to find a middle ground between dystopic alternate dictatorship versions of the USA or utopic progressive love-fest versions...not that I can blame people, the very mundane option would be boring.

Eh, not really. I can think of a few scenarios that would make an America neither fully dystopian or utopian interesting. For example:

1. A post apocalyptic US/US-successor state that has been relegated to a few cities because reasons. (I.E "Enclave but it controls Delaware and they aren't douchebags.")
2. An America that is experiencing rapid social change but doesn't really know what to do. For example, a new great awaking.
3. Past-Tech America (Before 1920s).
4. A meme version of the Utopian America nations where everything seems perfect on the outside, but it's actually hiding a problem much greater than even our own.

~~Of course, not only is this subjective, but some have probably already been tried and didn't turn out good.~~

1)A while back, a bunch of Fallout-inspired nations did that to death. I'm not much of a gamer so it all seemed the same to me. Mea culpa.
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I honestly can't say much about 2 and 3. But yeah, tastes are subjective and that's the beautiful thing about world-building...there's variety to choose from.

Surrealist Patagonia wrote:Thomas E. Dewey (R) (1952) ---> Adlai Stevenson (D) (1956) ---> JFK (D) (1960) ---> LBJ (D) (1963) ---> Barry Goldwater (R) (1964) ---> George Wallace (D to R) (1968)

The US presidents of SP-verse. Dewey and Stevenson were nothing too extraordinary presidents as the 50s were the Golden Age of America. JFK was when things seemed hopeful until he was assassinated. Barry's veto of the 1964 CRA set the stage for the American Autumn crisis and Wallace made it worse by going COINTELPRO on Civil Rights movements.

If killing Civil Rights is a thing, I'd go to the roots and make race relations bad. Well, worse anyways. For the depressing world of The Solar Remnant, the POD is Sam Houston as president in 1844.

1) All of Mexico north of 25 degrees is annexed. North Mexico and California become territories and not states but the slave state divide eventually happens anyways, with a Civil War.
2) Tejano ethnic cleansing/disenfranchisement/La Matanza-type tensions are multiplied in scale compared to OTL and prolonged with Mexican LICs.
3) Nat Turner gets bit by a rattlesnake or something and there's no anti-literacy laws for a generation; somebody else that takes Nat's place, maybe his son, and educated religious ringleaders organize a huge almost Haiti-style slave revolt and bloody guerrilla war during a Civil War in sparcer-populated new slaveholding territories.

Oh and there's an earlier Pacific War in that timeline because the Japanese get cocky over discovering oil in Manchuria that the Navy faction exploits when they beat the Army in mainland interests (ironically enough), so the USN thrashes the IJN but then grow overconfident and pull a Downfall that kills +500,000 Americans. With that, Japanese Americans are basically turned into a scape goat and get economically ghettoized, Asians in general are seen as perpetual foreigners and no war brides means fewer ice-breaking interracial marriages and no progress to a colorblind Immigration Act of 1965...so a very very WASPy America where Segregationists were proven historically "right" because "nonwhites are violent".

Obviously the turn of presidential successions and the Turner thing makes for lots of artistic liberties, but hey, it's not entirely impossible and that's all that matters to me.

by **Surrealist Patagonia** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:01 pm

Wow, that sounds even worse than America IRL. But ye, I should explore American race-relations a lot further than just making shit happens. But I try to justify Goldwater's victory by stating that the American populace distrusted LBJ for allegedly having a hand in JFK's assassination. No Eisenhower to push the the 1957 CRA led to worse race tensions and Goldwater vetoing the 1964 Act supported by the Democrats under LBJ on state's rights ground paved the way for a Dixiecrat like Wallace to switch parties and do what he did best.

Thoughts about this pogger-istic American insurgency? Don't ask what tf Valkyrie and FOXHOUND are.

12 March 2022

Surrealist Patagonia wrote:Wow, that sounds even worse than America IRL.

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Thoughts about this pogger-istic American insurgency? Don't ask what tf Valkyrie and FOXHOUND are.

"Excuse me while I get the hell out of America."
-This cursed version of me who is American and trapped in this timeline

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:04 pm

I think that I really don't like seeing a cross by one Bush and a skull by the other. Poor bastards, never going to search for WMDs again.

by **Surrealist Patagonia** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:09 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:I think that I really don't like seeing a cross by one Bush and a skull by the other. Poor bastards, never going to search for WMDs again.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:14 pm

Surrealist Patagonia wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:I think that I really don't like seeing a cross by one Bush and a skull by the other. Poor bastards, never going to search for WMDs again.

Dubya died to protect us all from Le Patron's nuke-crazed mission as the government pinned the blame on him as a scapegoat for the rogue Metal Gear nuclear assault on Leningrad. In exchange, an American city was nuked in order to make things even and Dubya voluntarily gave himself in. He was executed by firing squad for saving the world from destruction.

by **Las Palmeras** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:15 pm

Surrealist Patagonia wrote:Wow, that sounds even worse than America IRL. But ye, I should explore American race-relations a lot further than just making shit happens. But I try to justify Goldwater's victory by stating that the American populace distrusted LBJ for allegedly having a hand in JFK's assassination. No Eisenhower to push the the 1957 CRA led to worse race tensions and Goldwater vetoing the 1964 Act supported by the Democrats under LBJ on state's rights ground paved the way for a Dixiecrat like Wallace to switch parties and do what he did best.

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Thoughts about this pogger-istic American insurgency? Don't ask what tf Valkyrie and FOXHOUND are.

God How I envy your editing skills...
Also. Lol, LeMay. I wonder if LeMay will instill racial equality by cowing and over-working all his subordinates in the same way. Whatever he has cooking up against the domestic left and Vietnam will make Nixon look like a mollycoddling nanny. Whatever plan replaces Duck Hook is gonna be a major pain.

by **Voxija** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:07 pm

Threads in F7 that are "Make a history of [UNPRONOUNCEABLE RANDOMLY GENERATED NATION NAME]". Those were more common a couple of months ago.

12 March 2022

Voxija wrote:Threads in F7 that are "Make a history of [UNPRONOUNCEABLE RANDOMLY GENERATED NATION NAME]". Those were more common a couple of months ago.

Yes, yes they were.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:12 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Voxija wrote:Threads in F7 that are "Make a history of [UNPRONOUNCEABLE RANDOMLY GENERATED NATION NAME]". Those were more common a couple of months ago.

Yes, yes they were.

That's one trend I wish would die, honestly, they just devolve into nonsensical madness in three posts. And not the funny kind.

12 March 2022

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Yes, yes they were.

That's one trend I wish would die, honestly, they just devolve into nonsensical madness in three posts. And not the funny kind.

I concur. And then there is ninja-ing, confusion, an OP who is going "Y tho," and then...stuff.

by **Hunter Leptk** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:19 pm

by **Wexas** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:22 pm

Voxija wrote:Threads in F7 that are "Make a history of [UNPRONOUNCEABLE RANDOMLY GENERATED NATION NAME]". Those were more common a couple of months ago.

Honestly, those threads could have been fun if it wasn't populated by- well- F7ers

There is only chaos on this forum.

by **Aikoland** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:44 pm

Bandwagon threads are always the worst, you got those 'MAKE A HISTORY' threads now, a while back you had 'NS sings' threads, I predict the next trend will be pickle threads.

I have no basis on this other than the fact that I just ate a pickle.

Edit: Oh and while I know they weren't a bandwagon concept, remember when the NSG Senate was a thing and would take up like half the threads on this board?

by **Wexas** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:53 pm

Aikoland wrote:Bandwagon threads are always the worst, you got those 'MAKE A HISTORY' threads now, a while back you had 'NS sings' threads, I predict the next trend will be pickle threads.

I have no basis on this other than the fact that I just ate a pickle.

Let's also not forget numbers threads. You know, the ones where you either add or remove a number depending on which side you supported? They were everywhere.

Edit: Oh and while I know they weren't a bandwagon concept, remember when the NSG Senate was a thing and would take up like half the threads on this board?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

by **Zeloria** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:27 am

My prediction of the next bandwagon is complaining about bandwagons, including the bandwagon about complaining bandwagons.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:54 am

Zeloria wrote:My prediction of the next bandwagon is complaining about bandwagons, including the bandwagon about complaining bandwagons.

So far the only "bitch and moan about what other people do" thread is this one, so I'd say we're safe from that particular trend.

by **Zeloria** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:33 am

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Zeloria wrote:My prediction of the next bandwagon is complaining about bandwagons, including the bandwagon about complaining bandwagons.

So far the only "bitch and moan about what other people do" thread is this one, so I'd say we're safe from that particular trend.

That's because this thread is the one that starts the trend.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:34 am

Zeloria wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:So far the only "bitch and moan about what other people do" thread is this one, so I'd say we're safe from that particular trend.

That's because this thread is the one that starts the trend.

I mean, it's lasted like eighty pages without any derivatives being made; I think we're fine.

12 March 2022

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Zeloria wrote:
That's because this thread is the one that starts the trend.

I mean, it's lasted like eighty pages without any derivatives being made; I think we're fine.

YOU JUST JINXED IT.

by **Aikoland** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:55 pm

It's not like there's any real way to make derivative threads based on this one anyways, it's already NS-specific, so anything else would have to be based on non-NS stuff, which probably wouldn't attract as much interest, even if it's something a lot of NS users do use.

Like you could maybe do a Discord clichés, but what would even be the point?

(Besides everyone knows the only Discord clichés are grooming and 'Hey guys, please keep the memes out of #general, thank you. So anyways, as I was saying, yes I do think that if black people can say it, then white people should be allowed to say the n-word.')

by **Federal Remnants** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:26 pm

Aikoland wrote:It's not like there's any real way to make derivative threads based on this one anyways, it's already NS-specific, so anything else would have to be based on non-NS stuff, which probably wouldn't attract as much interest, even if it's something a lot of NS users do use.

Like you could maybe do a Discord clichés, but what would even be the point?

(Besides everyone knows the only Discord clichés are grooming and 'Hey guys, please keep the memes out of #general, thank you. So anyways, as I was saying, yes I do think that if black people can say it, then white people should be allowed to say the n-word.')

introducing the discord and NS crossover no one asked for, i can only imagine what a combo that would be because i am not in a NS discord

by **Aikoland** » Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:42 pm

TBH I don't even know where half the Discord clichés came from but then again I started using it back when it was still a GAMER-focused chat software with EPIC GAMER JOKES in the loading screens for all the EPIC HARDCORE GAMERS who use this GAMING chat software and not a more general purpose chat program cuz of everyone using it cuz of COVID-19.

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